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ThePresentPast_
3 years ago (edited)
Update: since the release of this video Johnny has contacted me and he has started citing sources. I fact checked his part two and wrote part 3 of this series with him. Go check it out here: https://youtu.be/LjieOlWXwTw
HI everyone! This got a bit out of hand š®. This video has the same viewcount as the original. Insane. A lot of you have commented on the points I made and so I thought itās time for some housekeeping.
Mistakes
Even though I actually have been educated as a historian and do my research, I can and will make mistakes. I donāt have team to check every word I say. So don't take the word of a youtube historian as the absolute end-all truth. You probably shouldn't do that with any (internet) person. If you spot an error, please include the source that backs your claim.
- The graphic showing European population 1300 - 1450 is not right. The script is correct. Graphic should say 1000 ā 1340.
- I said slavery was forbidden in Europe. This not entirely true. In the 17th century 10% of Lisbonās population consisted of enslaved peoples. Generally seen white slavery was not accepted in Medieval Europe however. Some people talked about slavery in Roman times. That is a different time period. Some mentioned slave trade by the Kievan Rus. Rus is an interesting one. But most enslaved people were sold to Muslim rulers.
A lot of people have said Isabella was responsible for giving the gig to Colombus. The source I used says the King Fernando stepped in at the end. https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil/page/132/mode/2up. If you have a different source do share it with me.
Omissions/nuance
I didnāt mention some things because the video had to be viewable. Some extra pointers:
- Yes the Portuguese were expanding along Africa in the 1400s. But they hadnāt made it to India. My point was you canāt alter the dates for storytelling.
- Iberian colonial expansion has certainly been influenced by Spanish and Portuguese experience in the Reconquista. Both in colonizing land as in how to rule this land.
- One reason Spanish colonialism got such a bad rep is because of the Black Legend. The low countries fighting Spain from 1568 found a text from Bartholomeus de Las Casas describing atrocities in the New World. They and others spread it religiously. Casas his work was overly negative and propaganda for reform. Initial lawlessness in the first 30 years had by then been replaced by a more stable colonial administration. The Spanish did not deliberately cause the catastrophic loss to the population. They wanted a work force. This does not mean Spain should have colonized it in the first place or that no atrocities happened.
- Some commenters pointed out how local factions that helped Spanish got titles and lands awarded, so it did work out for them in the end. Iād say that is a small consolation for seeing your entire society disrupted.
- Some people thought I was not critical enough of JH and have said some nasty things. Making content is hard and shouting from the sidelines is easy. I still think JH has the best intentions. And I think being critical can be done in a civilized manner.
- The flag of Spain doesn't show Aragon. But I think that might've been just a mistake. I do think you can say Spain instead of 'Union of the Crowns of Castile and Aragon' to make the topic more accessible.
- Europe is too big of a term. Eastern Europe was mostly colonised instead of a coloniser. But I understand the decision to say this.
When discussing these things please keep it civil.
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johnnyharris
3 years ago
Great video. I really appreciate the way you approached this and appreciate the amount of work that went into creating this discourse. I'll just say it right away: I accept your points here, and to be candid, the response to this video was a pretty big wake up call for me. The research on this was overly biased towards a simplistic narrative to which most of the facts bent. My hope with this series was to give an highly simplified almost āstory bookā version of a vastly complicated 500-year history so that those who are not usually interested in history could access the broad arc of European imperialism. I still believe in that goal but missed the mark with this one. So thank you for the compelling dissent.
Iāll do some soul searching on how Iāll address this in the channel and series itself. Again. I appreciate the way you approached this critique. Also REALLY great job on the production. new sub here.
Oh the Irving analogy at the end was pretty š„
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chrisoffersen
3 years ago
This is like a YouTube peer review. I can see this having positive effects for the reliability of the platform, especially when itās responded to with such professionalism as it has been.
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2Zemog
3 years ago (edited)
Excellent video. As an English/History teacher-in-training, this video inspired me to create an assignment where students criticize popular YouTube history videos, finding the perspective of the video, their mistakes and falsehoods, their lack of nuance or oversimplification, as well as their merit. I think it's a great starting point to explore the complicated concept of historical narratives, interpretation, myth and contemporary issues connected to popular retellings of history.
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Nootnootman
1 year ago
Thank you for doing this with so much respect. Itās refreshing and reassuring. Iām subscribing.
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ConfidentlyUninformed
2 years ago
As a viewer of Johnny Harris' channel I am happy to see that this video calls him out and receives great attention for it. This is how discussion on this platform should be.
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MedlifeCrisis
3 years ago
Great great video. For a long time Iāve grown weary of advice regarding creating content emphasising āstorytellingā so much. In my area of science exactly the same phenomenon leads to adjusting reality to fit an appealing ānarrativeā. But as you say, often the truth, while more complex, is often much more interesting than a simplified black and white version. In many ways itās a problem with YouTube, journalism and so on, and Johnny, as a pre-eminent creator/journalist, simply exemplifies that.
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frogery
2 years ago
this is how it should be. you peer reviewed his work and he had the humility to take it to heart. misinformation (intentional or not) is one of the the biggest dangers to society today and we need everyone working together to fight it.
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Runestam
10 months ago
Such a real, honest and mature way to give constructive feedback and clarify things, great work! :)
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TehLicker
1 year ago
Did I just witness non bellicose, constructive and thoughtful criticism? Well done!
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The2wanderers
3 years ago
This is great. I told youtube a long time ago to stop recommending Johnny Harris to me because his videos were very attractive at surface level, but empty and unsatisfying underneath. But real history is so interesting, and it's great that you're able to fill in these gaps.
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IntoEurope
3 years ago
The Johnny Harris debunk hat š¤£Great video man! :)
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itmomotitimo
10 days ago
Love the intellectual honesty and integrity!
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tylovcik
1 year ago (edited)
Love that YouTubers are peer reviewing like this. I love Johnny Harrisā content. It keeps YouTube educators in check. Itās important to know whether the information youāre reading is unbiased, and truly just for the purpose of education!
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mppileggi
2 years ago
Literally every point you made is what I thought when I saw Johnny Harrisās video. Iām glad someone took the time to adequately respond to his hyperbolic statements. I still think he is an incredibly talented storyteller, which is why citing sources, or even using asterisks at the bottom with disclaimers every time heās dramatizing something would be helpful.
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ARVash
3 years ago
Honestly, this is good for everyone. Johnny gets recognized for his compelling storytelling, and the information gets corrected. Science education often has similar challenges of losing important details, and it's so important that we have this kind of back and forth between creators about what actually happens, or in this case happened.
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davisbrowne1906
10 months ago
Wow. I only learned of Johnny Harris last week.
I think I learned of your channel first....
Thanks for the heads up.
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pennycheshire5608
3 years ago
āConstantly in debt to landlordsā is a really weird way to describe feudalism. His whole description of medieval European social conditions is quite anachronistic in addition to being ahistorical. Great video! Glad to have found and subbed to your channel š
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exudeku
3 years ago (edited)
Sad to see Johnny Harris forgot the number 1 rule in making a history video: fact checking and source citations
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musingmike6713
2 years ago
As a recent fan of Johnny's work for his contemporary geopolitical videos and branching into the historical, I was skeptical of the overly simple and often warped views he put forth in the discussed video. I saw this video recommended and must say I truly appreciate your intelligible argument and respectful tone. I am now a subscriber to your channel!
ThePresentPast_
3 years ago (edited)
Update: since the release of this video Johnny has contacted me and he has started citing sources. I fact checked his part two and wrote part 3 of this series with him. Go check it out here: https://youtu.be/LjieOlWXwTw HI everyone! This got a bit out of hand š®. This video has the same viewcount as the original. Insane. A lot of you have commented on the points I made and so I thought itās time for some housekeeping. Mistakes Even though I actually have been educated as a historian and do my research, I can and will make mistakes. I donāt have team to check every word I say. So don't take the word of a youtube historian as the absolute end-all truth. You probably shouldn't do that with any (internet) person. If you spot an error, please include the source that backs your claim. - The graphic showing European population 1300 - 1450 is not right. The script is correct. Graphic should say 1000 ā 1340. - I said slavery was forbidden in Europe. This not entirely true. In the 17th century 10% of Lisbonās population consisted of enslaved peoples. Generally seen white slavery was not accepted in Medieval Europe however. Some people talked about slavery in Roman times. That is a different time period. Some mentioned slave trade by the Kievan Rus. Rus is an interesting one. But most enslaved people were sold to Muslim rulers. A lot of people have said Isabella was responsible for giving the gig to Colombus. The source I used says the King Fernando stepped in at the end. https://archive.org/details/worldsofchristop0000phil/page/132/mode/2up. If you have a different source do share it with me. Omissions/nuance I didnāt mention some things because the video had to be viewable. Some extra pointers: - Yes the Portuguese were expanding along Africa in the 1400s. But they hadnāt made it to India. My point was you canāt alter the dates for storytelling. - Iberian colonial expansion has certainly been influenced by Spanish and Portuguese experience in the Reconquista. Both in colonizing land as in how to rule this land. - One reason Spanish colonialism got such a bad rep is because of the Black Legend. The low countries fighting Spain from 1568 found a text from Bartholomeus de Las Casas describing atrocities in the New World. They and others spread it religiously. Casas his work was overly negative and propaganda for reform. Initial lawlessness in the first 30 years had by then been replaced by a more stable colonial administration. The Spanish did not deliberately cause the catastrophic loss to the population. They wanted a work force. This does not mean Spain should have colonized it in the first place or that no atrocities happened. - Some commenters pointed out how local factions that helped Spanish got titles and lands awarded, so it did work out for them in the end. Iād say that is a small consolation for seeing your entire society disrupted. - Some people thought I was not critical enough of JH and have said some nasty things. Making content is hard and shouting from the sidelines is easy. I still think JH has the best intentions. And I think being critical can be done in a civilized manner. - The flag of Spain doesn't show Aragon. But I think that might've been just a mistake. I do think you can say Spain instead of 'Union of the Crowns of Castile and Aragon' to make the topic more accessible. - Europe is too big of a term. Eastern Europe was mostly colonised instead of a coloniser. But I understand the decision to say this. When discussing these things please keep it civil.
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